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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 2, 2012 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Tonight's GD trivia question

What GD song was originally recorded (but not released) with lyrics by Hunter, and then recorded, released, and played in concert with new lyrics by Barlow?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 3, 2012 1:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

I thought I responded to this hours ago apparently I mis clicked .....The Music Never Stopped!!!! I am quite surprised noone else has got this yet! Most of the Hunter/Weir songs have lyrical changes which caused a bit of bad blood between the two.... Weir wanted Hunter to collaborate on a cowboy song and Hunter refused and that's when Bob turned to Barlow and the cowboy song Mexacali Blues evolved along with the relationship between the two.

This post was modified by RBNW....new and improved! on 2012-04-03 08:16:17

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 3, 2012 4:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

We have a winner! The other interesting bit is how awful Hunter's lyrics for "Hollywood Canteen" are, or at least how inappropriate to the music. A demo version of it can be found among the bonus tracks on the Blues for Allah CD.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 3, 2012 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

I agree this lyric is a surprisingly bad misfire for Hunter...but I guess even the best can't win'em all. Barlows contributions to the MSN on the other hand, are some of his absolute finest next to Weather Report Suite IMO...

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 3, 2012 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

I agree. I'm not a 100% Barlow fan, but I think MNS is pure genius. It's evocative through ambiguity, like a typical Hunter lyric.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 3, 2012 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

I have a friend that listens to that demo. I totally do not understand why, its pretty awful.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 3, 2012 7:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

He's crazy. I can never even bring myself to listen to the whole thing.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 3, 2012 7:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

i know its so ill performed, the lyrics are weak and the timing of the song is hard to keep up with, even for someone who listens to 6 dark stars and toos a day.

Its actually a girl, she had so much promise but I always find her playing golden road, JGB and other inferior things.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Apr 3, 2012 7:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

"I always find her playing golden road, JGB and other inferior things."

Are you implying JGB is inferior to the GD?

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 3, 2012 10:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

yes. Honestly, music is more subjective than we all would like it to be, but jerry's best stuff is with the dead, JGB doesnt come close to matching the magic, and I personally just am not a fan of people putting their effort into JGB when i feel it could be much better spent exploring the incredible music thats been played by the dead. At least, I've experienced it a lot and it breaks my dead head heart.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 5, 2012 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

>JGB doesnt come close to matching the magic,

Wow you think? totally disagree :)

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Apr 4, 2012 2:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: To JGB or not to JGB...

I totally understand that you prefer the GD over Jerry's solo work, but statements like “JGB doesnt come close to matching the magic (of the GD),” are really just your opinion of course. As someone who appreciates his solo work as much as his GD work, I think he reaches the same level of magic with his solo work, sometimes even surpassing what he did with the Dead due to musical restraints he had playing with the boys. Likewise, he also did things musically with the Dead that he couldn't recreate outside of that atmosphere. It's just not accurate though to say he didn't reach the same “level of magic.”

But mostly, I'm just perplexed by what you don't dig about solo Jerry. I've met plenty of heads who greatly prefer the GD, but I've gotten the impression you have nothing but disdain for his solo work. If you don't mind explaining briefly, I'm curious what it is that doesn't grab your attention like the GD does.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 4, 2012 6:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To JGB or not to JGB...

"he also did things musically with the Dead that he couldn't recreate outside of that atmosphere"

These are the things that make the dead better, dark star, the other one, early dead. The dead as a whole is a magical arrangement. We all know of their flaws and long list of shitty performances, but the great performances... unbeatable me thinks.

I certainly dig JGB. I like it more than 99.9% of the other music out there. But I dont put much time into listening to JGB, but in my mind I've got a lot of homework to do, and ill get to my JGB HW (and hopefully phish) some day later.

I just think that basically every dead tune he did with them isnt as good, it needs bob oh so, along with phil, and the drumming isnt as good. I really dont want to hate on JGB, but i know too many people with equal or greater interest in JGB to what they have for the dead, in my mind that is just totally wrong. Especially when this argument is basically apples to apples, they're close enough to where why cant we say one is better? Music isnt JUST opinions, there are facts, and while Im not gonna say thats the case here, there is some objectivity to music.

My big gig is not to argue what jerry's best work is (though I still dont see a huge argument with it, maybe the different band put more thrill and energy into jerry) but merely to state that GD > JGB.

I think that sums it up?

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 4, 2012 7:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To JGB or not to JGB...

It's not an apples to apples comparison. It's more like flour and corn tortillas. You should check it out sometime.

IMO, JGB did better with just about every Dylan song. Like wise the more R & B stuff.

I always had the feeling GD was about (and constrained by) the songs they wrote and the movement they had created. Where as JGB was simply about the music Jerry loved the most.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Apr 4, 2012 8:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To JGB or not to JGB...

The first time I saw the JGB, Billy K was drumming. It was at the Keystone Berkely in '82 and I was standing eye to eye with Jerry in the front row, and the stage was about a foot high - so I was literally eye to eye. He played Sugaree and They Love Each Other and it ripped my brain right out of my head. He did things in the solos that he could never do with the Dead becuase he had to consider what Phil and Bob wanted, not so with the JGB, it was pure, crystaline Jerry. It was what he and he alone wanted the music to be.

I did enjoy the grandiose nature of the GD spectacle more for blow-out tripping, but The Jerry Band just had a warm fuzzy that I could wallow in forever.

I lost my two favorite bands the day Jerry died.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Apr 5, 2012 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To JGB or not to JGB...

I think generally the music is so different it's hard to compare.The comparison you could make would be if Jerry was on and locked in w/ the band he was playing with.JGB was a very structured set or sets and the music Reggae,BLUES,r&b classics are all different than what the dead played on a daily level.Generally he changed line ups so frequently to keep things fresh and the covers just came like waves of the ocean.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 4, 2012 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To JGB or not to JGB...

"jerry's best stuff is with the dead"? Well, if you don't mind sitting through another MAMU and LLR, I guess that might be true, but for anyone that ever saw JGB in a club, they can assure you it that it easily matched, and on many nights, surpassed anything put out by the boys. Apples and oranges. Hell, I know I still treasure those Lunt-Fontane shows and they easily match any GD show I saw for pure joy and great music.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 4, 2012 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To JGB or not to JGB...

I believe ya BD, Im sure I would say the same had I seen both, but for me the experience isn't necessarily what matters, Im an arm chair dead head and what happened at the show and how much everyone liked it, doesnt come through and hence, to me, is totally negligible and my opinion is based solely on, how does it sound?

And yes I would gladly sit through another MAMU and LLR.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 4, 2012 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To JGB or not to JGB...

Well, I'm a big R&B, Stax Soul, Funk fan and that element is largely missing from the GD experience while it was central to JGB. I also agree with what high flow said about the dylan tunes. Look, I loved both (GD and JGB), and I would not have gotten into JGB without going to a ton of GD shows, but there are times when I really prefer a Catfish John over another Morning Dew (blasphemy?). Also, a large part of my love for JGB probably stems from being able to see him in nightclubs and small theatres while the boys were transitioning into stadiums and getting locked out of cities. The communal, family vibe was a lot more prevalent/tangible at those mid to late 80 Jerry shows for me. I know that's touchy, feely, but it is what it is.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Apr 4, 2012 7:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: To JGB or not to JGB...

"but there are times when I really prefer a Catfish John over another Morning Dew (blasphemy?)"

YES!

but hey, you got to see the guys so im still jealous. Though theres certainly something to be said for having all dead at the click of a mouse as a youngin.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Apr 2, 2012 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

http://archive.org/details/gd1974-06-30.sbd.miller.96275.sbeok.flac16

Seastones > China Rider > Scarlet > Eyes > Stella Blue



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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 2, 2012 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

Seastones? Weren't those lyrics written by a computer?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 2, 2012 9:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD trivia question

you don't expect darkstrz too actually respond with a relevant post........do you?